![]() The added need for the contractor to provide purlin braces with the proper bearing (fingers crossed) as well as the now needed built up columns /stud-packs with associated squash blocks below each point load feels to me like more precision needs to be taken in lieu of running 2x10 / 2x12's at the desired spacing. I still stand with the opinion that a better design should entail rafters that are sized to carry the full span of the roof section (within reason) in lieu of the possible ability to use 2圆 rafters with purlins and purlin braces. PhamENG thank you for the code reference and all for the discussion. Bolted Collar Ties Mike Mike (Structural) 24 Oct 21 03:18 Putting a purlin at the wall where the rafter sits would do.nothing at all.Īlso - why does nearly everyone add an 'r' in my handle when they retype it? RE: Roof Truss vs. So there's a purlin that runs parallel to the ridge at rafter mid span that is supported by posts at 6' on center down to a wall, beam, or some other transfer element. By "horizontal purlin brace" I'm thinking he just means purlin. I'm 99.9% certain that he's not talking about either of these, though. I do agree that the most effective place for a rafter tie is at rafter bearing. Collar tie goes in the upper 1/3 and locks in the rafters at the ridge for unbalanced loading, rafter tie goes in the bottom 1/3 and resists spread. A collar tie and a rafter tie are two very different things and are very plainly defined in the code. Have to disagree with you on the last one. He optimal horizontal brace (whether you call them ceiling joists, rafter ties, or collar ties) location is at rafter bearing Bolted Collar Ties jayrod12 (Structural) 20 Oct 21 18:52 These assumptions do not insist that roof brace point loads created where valleys / hips intersect ridges are not needed as I understand their applicability regardless of the chosen roof system. ![]() I am of the opinion that if I do not have any ceiling treatments / not worried about the openness of the attic above the space, I should instead look into a framed rafter roof system versus a smaller rafter system but with more purlin braces (hog ties, vertical roof braces). I understand that this type of system would allow for smaller rafters (reducing the deflection through the reduction of the clear span that is loaded) but typically results in roof brace point loads that in return create built up columns / stud packs (allowing more thermal bridging sections within the wall system if an exterior wall). My hesitation has been that I am seeing a fair amount of plan sets come across my desk where the typical roof system is comprised of a horizontal purlin brace (placed at rafter mid-span) with vertical roof brace placed roughly every 6 feet. ![]() Thank you phamENG, I appreciate the insight. Bolted Collar Ties jayrod12 (Structural) 20 Oct 21 17:53 In summary I would like to use the connections at the collar ties and ceiling joists to eliminate the need for roof braces below the ridge, is this thinking unjustified? RE: Roof Truss vs. In my experience I have seen (when roof trusses are not specified) vertical roof braces provided along the ridge, bearing on either a center steel beam (along the y-axis) or roof brace point loads bearing on LVLs (in the x-axis) with a center LVL (y-axis) that is hangered into the x-axis LVLs. I ask this because with a strong connection between rafters / collar ties & rafters / ceiling joists am I not essentially recreating a framed truss ? With this logic, could the exterior walls be sized to mainly support 1/2 of the vertical roof load, and eliminate the need to provide roof braces along the ridge every +- 6 feet. The input I am hoping for (assuming I am not using a roof truss system for the garage and that the enclosed attic will be for access only, not storage) is if I am able to design a shear connection between the rafters and a 1/3 height placed collar tie as well as a shear connection between the rafters and the garage ceiling joists as a means to satisfy the thrust the roof would want to place on my exterior walls. For simplicity sake, we will consider the wall that the garage doors are located on as the x-axis, and the direction of the roof ridge as the y-axis. The structure in question is a simple garage (attached to a 2,000+- single family home) with 24'x24' overall dimensions. It is my understanding that in situations like the one I am about to describe, the savings in labor / current state of the supply of materials may make a roof truss become the most applicable option. ![]() Good afternoon everyone, I was hoping for a discussion on the expertise / applicability of choosing a roof system based on structural serviceability. ![]()
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